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If you want to buy new, buy a Tesla or BMW Hybrid ?.

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#1
  • 2030
  • 2022/01/08 21:06

I am thinking of buying a new car. My current Jeep is not very fuel efficient and I'm thinking of taking the plunge and getting a Tesla, but I'm wondering if my electric bill will go up all that much ?
I don't have solar at home and I'm wondering if I should get a BMW hybrid if the electric bill will be very expensive.
If you have a Tesla, please tell me Pros Cons !

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#2
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 06:35
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If you are buying a Tesla vehicle,
how do you think about charging?
Thinking about installing at home, use of charging facilities installed in the market.

Since there seems to be a little time until 2035
Buy a hybrid and drive it for 10 years.
After 2030, consider replacing the car with an EV.

After 2030, I don't know if there will be assistance to install charging facilities at home to promote EV cars ?
but I think the number of charging facilities will increase from the current level.

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#3
  • ん?
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 07:08
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Installing a charging facility at home is not such a big deal.
All you have to do is plug the charger into an outlet in the garage, but as expected of the Showa era, they have not kept up with the times.

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#4
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 07:46
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If you install it in the garage of your home in an owner-occupied house, no problem, but
if you live in a rented apartment and install it in a parking lot,
you need to get permission from the owner
fortunately, I'm not sure if you will be evicted, since you installed it without permission.

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#5
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 07:50
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BMWs are medium-cheap.
I have an image of chic, misunderstood young people driving them.

Tesla is not for everyone.

It depends on what you value, but recently Audi is popular.

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#6
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 08:06
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Everyone has their own tastes
so I don't think it's a good idea to recommend it to strangers.

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#7
  • EV
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 08:18
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If you just plug it in, you can drive only about 30 miles on an overnight charge. A full charge takes three days.
A dedicated facility can be up to 10 times faster, but requires construction and a 60 amp power supply.

EU hybrids are very unreliable and should always be replaced under warranty ( not just hybrids ).
Please note that there have been a few reported cases where the cost of repair, if paid for, exceeds the resale value of the car.

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#8
  • 倍金萬
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 08:36
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> If you have a Tesla, please tell me Pros Cons !


So far no response from Tesla owners.

I'm very happy with my Prius for now, and I won't be around in 2030... ^^;

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#9
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 09:26
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I won't be on this earth in 2030, and even if they say
I can't live another 8 years ?

Human life, one inch ahead of the other
Tomorrow will be a full day if I thank the heavens.

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#10
  • 鬼が笑う
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 09:27
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Let's ask the question in 2029.
Next!

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#11
  • ^^
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 09:30
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#5
I think Audi has worse taste than me. w

Maserati is popular around me.

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#12
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 16:09
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> Maserati is popular around me

that car is pretty crappy quality too ? lol lol lol

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#13
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/09 (Sun) 16:30
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And which class of Audi ?.

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#21

Corvettes and Mustangs I think they are cool !
I like that front form !
I rented a car once for a long drive.
But my acquaintance told me to get a regular sedan because it eats up gas money, so I stopped buying it.

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#22
  • 器が小さい
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 04:06
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Everyone has their own taste in cars, so to say that BMWs have bad taste is nonsense.
By the way, high price does not = good taste.

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#23
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 09:28
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Can you say the same thing about expensive cars ?
that's the line of someone who's never driven one

BMWs are fucking bad quality.

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#24
  • パナソニック
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 09:46
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Tesla takes a very long time to get parts and repair if you have an accident.
The chassis is made of aluminum and if you have an accident, it's difficult to repair and insanely expensive.
If you have an accident, it is suitable for people who own two cars and are retired and have time to spare, but not for people who are busy commuting every day.

I guess the good news is that the heart of the EV, the battery, is made by Panasonic and is the best in the world.

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#25
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 09:59
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You're uninsured ?

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#26
  • ↑さすが無知
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:10
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If the repair costs are high, that's how big the stretch for insurance to go up is.
Aluminum is difficult to repair and it takes a long time to order parts.

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#27
  • パナソニック
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:36
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People living in Japan are forced to buy Teslas made in China that are not made in China and whose batteries are not made by Panasonic, thinking that Teslas sold in Japan are of the same quality as Teslas made in the US.
Fearing that their technology would be stolen in China, Panasonic refused to set up a factory in China, and Tesla had no choice but to join forces with a Chinese company.

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#28
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:36
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If you can't afford that expensive insurance, you usually don't buy a car with an aluminum chassis
I mean, don't you usually check insurance rates before you buy a car ?
Get full coverage. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.

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#29
  • ↑さすが無知
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:37
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Insurance jumps when you have an accident, ignoramus.

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#30
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:38
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# 27

Both Toyota and Honda have factories in China.
They have one in Mexico, but parts are imported from China, Indonesia, etc.
That's why they can't produce cars now.

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#31
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 10:42
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# 29

It depends on the accident
No one who knows their own worth would drive an aluminum chassis car because they are worried about the insurance premiums going up if they have an accident. Don't drive expensive cars if you're worried about your insurance going up if you get in an accident.

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#32
  • ロールスロイス
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 11:02
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#23

>BMWs are fucking bad quality it's true

what quality specifically ?
and how much do expensive cars cost ?

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#33
  • ロールスロイス
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 11:07
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The one-million-plus car bought by the monkey who went to space is in damned poor taste.
The people who say that expensive is good are the dumb mehs who have a little money in their pocket.

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#34
  • パナソニック
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 11:14
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#30

Even Japanese companies assembled in the U.S., many of the sensors, AT transmissions, and other precision parts are still made in Japan.

EVs have a battery at the heart and life.
Other parts can be inexpensive but no problem.

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#35
  • さすが無知
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 11:16
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Common people ?

Don't be less ignorant than the common people who have been exposed here for not even owning a house. LOL!

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#36
  • 馬脚
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 11:19
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It's a corvette and it's an expensive car. LOL
bad taste~~~

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#37
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:03
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No one said that expensive is good.
That's the kind of thinking

I wonder what kind of sense people who can only drive used cars have.

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#38
  • イミフ
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:12
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> I wonder if the same can be said for expensive cars ?
That's the line of someone who has never driven one

> No one said expensive is good

Old man wreck
Besides, Korbe is not a luxury car. More than anything else, it's fucking lame.

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#39
  • センス悪
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:13
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↑ Lame guys are free to say lame.

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#40
  • イミフ
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:18
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↑ You are free to say that a guy like you, with your jizz-stink sense of humor, has bad taste

But it's an oversized boomerang.

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#41
  • どいつもこいつも
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:23
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In the end, there is no opinion of a car with good taste, just dissing everything. They say "expensive is not enough", and then they diss the car if it is not very expensive.

Always this pattern. I'm tired of it.

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#42
  • おいボケ老人
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:31
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> I wonder if the same thing can be said about expensive cars ?
> I wonder if the same thing can be said about expensive cars

I wonder if the same thing can be said about expensive cars, but then again, it's only a Corvette.

The guy who says he's tired of it, but is stuck with his Vivinavi. LOL!

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#43
  • やはりただのハッタリ
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:50
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If Corvettes are cheap, what are you driving?

Rolls Royce ? LOL

Talk in your sleep

Before Corvette, before Mercedes Benz, before Porsche

Well, all cars around here are ordinary for those who don't know how much cars cost

. By the way, the price varies depending on the grade

Thanks for your help. Yes, I'm sure I'll be back soon.

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#44
  • W
  • 2022/01/10 (Mon) 17:53
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You're competing with me on price! I guess these old people drive old luxury cars. I guess there are only poor people around them who think that a car with a mark on it means it's a luxury car.

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#45
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/11 (Tue) 10:56
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In another 10 years, we will have a better idea of what gasoline cars will be like
so you might want to buy a Prius now and drive it for 10 years
and consider an EV car in 10 years.

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#46
  • ウンコまだいたの。笑
  • 2022/01/11 (Tue) 11:45
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I'm bored
I said I was bored
but I'm still diligently rubbing poop on it today. LOL

> By the way, the price varies depending on the grade. d'oh

Thanks for the best laugh of the day.

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#47
  • ロールスロイス
  • 2022/01/11 (Tue) 21:05
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I hate being poor

I'm poor to the core. w

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#48
  • びびなび殿の○○人
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 06:39
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Instead of thinking that you will be poor to the heart
think that you will be poor but happy
and your heart will be rich.

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#49
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 09:01
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So ? what are you driving ?

a Rolls Royce, right?

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#50
  • なんでこがん昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 11:45
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If you are going to buy a car, plan ahead.

Rather than buying an EV car now
we need to find out what other cars the government will allow besides EV cars. If you can't manufacture and sell anything other than EV cars, then we have no choice.

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#51
  • イミフ
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 11:58
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>We need to find out what kind of cars the government will allow other than EV cars.
If we can't manufacture and sell anything but EV cars, then we have no choice.

They can't even speak Japanese well.
I don't need to tell you, I speak English.

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#52
  • テスラ
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 12:48
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It was kind of shabby inside
I knew it was a Ferrari!

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#53
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/12 (Wed) 16:53
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# 51

One of the vehicles that do not emit nitrogen oxide, which causes air pollution, is
a hydrogen vehicle.

If it becomes possible to manufacture and sell hydrogen cars in addition to EV cars, there will be more models to choose from.

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#54

Why don't you just answer the normal "If you have a Tesla, please tell me your Pros Cons"?
Even if the topic seems interesting, it gets rough very easily.

Why do you want to come all the way to this small Japanese forum and mount up against each other ?
It doesn't matter what you choose to live, drive, eat, etc. ? What you spend money on is up to each person.
Also, being young makes you great, having good English skills makes you great, having been in the US for a long time makes you great, and so on.
Let's stop with the "the other person is lower than you" style. It's no fun at all.

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#55
  • 正論
  • 2022/01/13 (Thu) 15:30
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↑ anything you say here won't resonate with losers

make a gathering where you can use your real name

anonymous shows the filth of humanity, so this is the place to be ?

if you don't like it, make a place where it won't happen

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#56
  • 正論
  • 2022/01/13 (Thu) 15:38
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? What you choose to spend your money on is up to you.

Regardless of social networking, the world is like that.
Whether you have it or not, those who backbite will backbite and those who look down on you will look down on you
No matter how others feel or how they judge you, if you don't agree with them, that's fine ?
If you could change others just by saying something, the world would be more peaceful

This People are just beautiful
In extreme cases, you can talk to a homeless person ?
You can talk to a millionaire ?
You can't talk to a millionaire
You may have fun, but they don't
You have different values if they have different status People have different ways of having fun
At least the scum here are here because they have fun.

get the hell back to reality.

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#57
  • 無理でしょ
  • 2022/01/13 (Thu) 15:56
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> Why don't you just answer the normal "If you have a Tesla, please tell me your Pros Cons"?
I guess it's easy to be rough on a topic that sounds interesting.

There are people here who are in a class that can drive a Tesla ?
They would be gone even if they came
The poor are stuck with the fried.

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#58
  • お前もクズの一人
  • 2022/01/13 (Thu) 16:07
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↑ Don't write to me like that, scum!

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#60
  • 青丘
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 07:49
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When my nephew-in-law came to visit from San jose, he charged it twice during the process.
I don't know if it's a set up or what, but the price is normal up to 25 minutes and after that it gets more expensive, so he only charged for 25 minutes each time, so he could only charge up to half and had to charge twice during the trip ?
so he had to finish immediately when the time came. ?

My nephew's 220 volt house is on the third floor, so he goes out to charge in the middle of the night.
He says it's a little cheaper at night.

We charged the batteries at our house and then went to Costa Mesa where my sister-in-law is, but that seems to be just in time because we only half charged the batteries.

I don't know much about cars, so I can't explain it properly, but I heard that we should wait about 3 more years for electric cars.
Some people say that Sony and Apple are developing them and that they will be treated as home appliances rather than cars from now on. ?


If the battery problem can be solved, I am thinking of getting an electric car next.
I'm sorry I can't explain properly.

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#61
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 09:03
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I can't believe that someone who buys a Tesla can only charge it for 25 minutes every time to save money on electricity. I don't get it.

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#62
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 09:38
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California Governor Newsom had said that
by 2035 all new passenger cars sold in the state must be
ZEV ( zero ・ emission ・ vehicle = emission-free ) vehicles
" .

There is still some time left, so
if you buy a new car within a year or two,
plan to buy a hybrid and drive it for 10 years, and
if EV cars become affordable around 2032-2033, you can buy an EV car. It is not a bad idea.

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#63
  • 青丘
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 10:54
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#61 2022,

maybe he didn't buy it because he has money, but to save money on gas ?
I don't think he has that high an income.

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#64
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 11:37
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Because you bought it out of vanity when you didn't have the money.

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#65
  • ズボラ
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 12:26
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I'm not going to look good with a Tesla.

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#66
  • Dodgeからテスラ
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  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 13:51
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I wonder if you are still looking ?
I switched from Dodge to Tesla.
It's been a few months and it's good, Tesla.

Charging can be done by plugging it into a regular outlet, no special installation required.
My electric bill was plus $ 90 per month, which is a little less than my gas bill.
I think I can save a little more money if I look into it, since I can change the settings to charge only at night when electricity is cheaper.
I also use the free time of the Supercharger.
The most important thing is that I don't have to waste time thinking "Oh, I need to put gas in soon" or "Gas is expensive so I'll wait a little" !
Also, not having to change oil is a nice and simple thing.

I hear that the repair bill for an accident can be quite expensive. ( From a friend who has a Y. )
Even if you rub it a little, you need to check the sensor part, so go to a specialist store.
He said that damage to the sensor part would have been several thousand dollars. ( It looks like just a scratch )

and the Pro part is common Pro for EVs even if it is not Tesla.
Only for Tesla, if you put in your destination when you drive a long distance, it will even predict how many minutes you will need to charge at the supercharger along the way.
Also, well, I thought the self-driving was quite useful. ( Full self driving also allows you to turn automatically, but even the free Auto pilot is quite usable and accurate. I think this is a car that can be driven for a span of 20 years.

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#67

I've seen a lot of Tesla cars with chains at Big Bear and Mammoth, but do you have any problems with cooler temperatures ?
I'm not a BEV driver, and I was wondering ? if the battery performance would be reduced, limiting its function.
I'm on the slopes and my phone charge runs low quickly.

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#68
  • 2022
  • 2022/01/14 (Fri) 15:31
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How much mileage do you drive per month $ 90 ?

Well, besides the battery, I wonder how long the drive motor, which is the most demanding part of the car, will last. ? Also, basically, the parts inside are made in China.
How much cheaper will it be to repair the motor then? I'm sure it will be ridiculously expensive since normal repair shops won't be able to handle it.

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#69

#68
That's it. lol
As I was writing this, I was thinking, "This depends on the miles driven," but didn't check my mileage because I was too lazy. I just looked at it now and it was about 2000 miles. I did not use all of the power from the house because I had to use the supercharger when I went away a few times, but just for reference. Maybe it depends on the model, but I don't see any interior switch system. Everything is screen operated. If there were a bunch of failures in prior models because that's already fatal to break, that's what you'd see on the internet news a lot.

The same goes for the drive motors, I understand they are 4 motors since it says 4wd, but anyway, a car like Tesla that is the subject of so many rumors, good and bad, I'm sure any weakness would be on the internet immediately.

But after all this defending Tesla, I don't understand the value of buying a Tesla for a few million extra. I guess it's an offering for automatic driving.

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#70
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/15 (Sat) 09:10
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Why bother to buy a Tesla now for Umm plus million?

Around 2032, manufacturers will be offering a variety of EV vehicles, so there will be a wider range of choices.

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#71
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In 66
> Electricity costs $ 90
In 69
> Roughly 2000 miles

In month $ I drove 2000 miles in 90 ? ? Full charge at least 6 times ? That's impossible
You're a goose

70
the same thing over and over again, are you an old fogey ??

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#72
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#66 > > > You can plug it into a regular outlet for charging, so no special installation is required.

Don't you have a job? ?
A regular household outlet will only give you about 15 miles even if you charge it overnight.
Even a Prius or RAV4 plug-in hybrid with a small motor will only get about 20 miles on an overnight charge.
After all, in real life you can't even commute properly without a Tesla 30+ amp dedicated charger ( $ 600 ) and electrical work ( $ 2, 000 ).
Batteries are still the same as cell phones, and the mileage of a full charge goes down every year.

I think the EV market will change drastically when the next generation of solid batteries that Toyota is now developing are released to the world.

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#73
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#71
Hmmm, call me gaseous …. As I mentioned, I'm not charging the whole 2000 miles at home because I'm also taking care of the supercharger when I'm away from home.
I heard that the electricity rates vary depending on the time of day, and the closer the battery is to a full charge, the longer it takes, so the simple calculation may be wrong.
However, there are a lot of real-life experiences in the Tesla thread, so I think it's best to look for someone who has a similar situation to yours.
You seem to know a lot about Tesla's Range !

#67
I was worried about that, but my fears were unfounded !
I went to Big Bear when it was around 0℃ and it worked fine.
It is more stable than Dodge SUV, maybe because of its heavy body or thicker tires. The electrical system is also fine.
I don't know about blizzard conditions, but it runs normally on the East Coast, so I think it should be fine under the expected range of temperatures.
The power usage was almost the same as when we drove on normal roads.

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#74
  • ハッタリ暇人変態
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> It says 4wd, so I understand it has 4 motors

But, Dual Motor has a big emblem on the back.

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#76
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# 71

So I tell them not to panic and buy now.

You'll just have to wait patiently until the time is right.

# In a month $ I drove 2000 miles on a 90 ? ? with at least 6 full charges ? No way
That's a gaseous story

I guess you don't have one.
If you had, you'd figure out how to get the charge
close to that amount.

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#77

BEVs generate electricity and self-charge when decelerating, right?
When I test drove a non-Tesla BEV, I noticed this and consciously turned off the accelerator, and it was interesting that the amount of charge did not decrease but increased.
If you drive well, you can go a very long distance !. I wonder if it is the same for hybrids ?
I didn't know that because mine is a pure gasoline car.

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#79
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/15 (Sat) 16:00
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I drive a Prius and can drive quite well in EV mode if I work on my driving style.

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#80
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  • 2022/01/16 (Sun) 07:36
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I plan to buy a new car within the next year or two
and drive it for 10 years in preparation for 2035
and replace it with an EV car.

By that time, EV cars are going to be as expensive as engine cars
I need to save for a 10 year plan.

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#81

#80
Around 2035, we are in the middle of our old age
So ?
Now is the time ! Now ! We must enjoy it 🤔

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#82
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# 81

Even in older age, engine cars will not be available in 2035.
You should not be so optimistic,
you need to start thinking now about how to prepare for the year 2035.

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#77
nice timing, went to the snowy mountains today ! !
day trip, 100% when I left home, 59% when I got to the mountains, 51% when I got home !
I recharged about 4% while going down the mountain, I felt like I gained something lol

On the way home we talked about batteries …
I'm on a 100kw/h battery now.
The mileage range is 350 miles.
The electric bill at night is $ 0.02/kw/h.
So if I charge the battery for $4.00, it will run 700 miles ! ? I feel like I'm lying when I write that …

But if I use this much during the weekend. I can charge a little more during the week than I use every day, and I finally get the full ! on Saturday.

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#84
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If you write at least the model and model ?

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#85
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#Even in the older age, engine cars will not be available in 2035.

You are an idiot, after 2035, new gasoline cars and hybrids will not be sold anymore, new gasoline cars bought in 2034 can be driven until they break down, so Japanese cars can be used at least until 2055 if you drive them carefully. You will be over 100 years old in 2055. You are wealthy, so spend your money as much as you can.

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#86
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# 85

You're over 100 years old. I'm 150 years old.

Nobody knows what will happen 10 years from now, so
just be prepared either way.

Last September, California announced plans to ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035.
Several members of Congress have urged Biden to follow the state's move.

https://bestcarweb.jp/feature/column/231898

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#87
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>>72
I'm a RAV4 plug-in hybrid and can drive 40+ miles on an overnight charge at a household outlet.

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#88
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This is the first time I've heard of someone owning a Tesla and charging it with a regular household socket. LOL
If I used it to commute to work, I wouldn't be able to make a decent living.

If you use more than 350kWh of electricity per month, your base electricity bill goes up dramatically.
If you exceed 1050 kWh, it is quite expensive.
Last summer, there was a shortage of electricity, and there were several days of rolling blackouts at night in the Beverly Hills area.

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#90
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The cost of electricity per Tesla unit run is about 1/5 of a gasoline car. It is also nice not to have to worry about oil changes and transmissions. But the price of the vehicle is so high that it may or may not be a good deal.
https://news.energysage.com/tesla-charging-cost-vs-gas/

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#91
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  • 2022/01/17 (Mon) 22:09
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> Vehicle price is high so it may or may not be a good deal.

Everything else is expensive too

DMV registry ・ Insurance ・ Labor at dealer ・ Car parts

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#92
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  • 2022/01/18 (Tue) 09:25
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If it breaks down, it's expensive to repair and the repair time is long.

It's good for retired rich people with time on their hands ?.

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#93
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/19 (Wed) 08:45
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The Alco Gas Station that was 15 minutes from my house will be torn down to make way for a new Shell Gas Station.

There is also going to be a new Starbucks on the same site
I can't help but think
I'll get to relax at Starbucks while they charge my EV at the gas station, EV charging combined.

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#94
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You can't have a gas station and EV charging on the same property, it's too dangerous
Just think about it for a minute.

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#95
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
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It is still under construction and only imagined.

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#96

There is a Level2 EV charging station on the same site, though.

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#98

A former US Army engineer I know rented a Tesla car on a chilled-out basis and used it in Palm Springs with relatives over New Year's. He said the problems he noticed were the lack of charging places when leaving the city area and the time it takes to charge. He said he still can't use it for road trip purposes because he has to kill 20-30 minutes at the gas station every time.
He also said that the decrease in battery ( power ? ) was unpredictable unlike conventional cars. He said he finally found a place to charge the battery when it had 10 miles left, so he was spared a tow.
I don't know about the price, but from what I've heard, it still sounds like it can only be used for commuting within the city, and I'm still a bit out of my league as a commoner. I guess people who drive Tesla cars probably fly when they travel long distances.

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#99
  • Zzzzz
  • 2022/01/20 (Thu) 22:04
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New Fairlady Z if you want to buy a new one.

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#101
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/21 (Fri) 09:27
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If you want to buy new, EV cars will be available in 10 years or later.

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#143
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#98
I don't know if it's a different model or a new feature in a recent update, but when I put a destination into the Tesla navigation system, it also shows me "battery level remaining upon arrival".

I thought that was nice ! and it even tells you at which supercharger to charge the battery for how many minutes if you are on a journey where the battery is about to reach zero.
( OC → When in Fresno, 90% departure → 10 min charge near Bakersfield ( 40% → 60% ) → 20% arrival, and so on. It also shows the charge for using Supercharger. Google "Tesla Road Trip planner" for more details )

I checked and it looks like this feature was included in the 2018 update, so it should be available on all models now !

But The temporary restrooms attached to the Supercharger are dirty and are located in the middle of nowhere away from the city, so I felt it was a waste of time to wait around for 10 minutes in a daze. I hope that in the future there will be a Starbucks or a fast food restaurant nearby so that I can properly pass the time !.

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#144
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  • 2022/01/22 (Sat) 09:09
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#143
How do you live with just a household socket charge ??

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#145
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  • 2022/01/22 (Sat) 11:54
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In the near future, when all electric cars will be used
when you arrive at the charging station, you will have to wait in a long line for an hour for a charge and 20 minutes for your own charge
you will have to stay at the charging station again and repeat the same thing
have you thought about that ??

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#146

Simply, if the daily mileage is within the amount that can be recharged by a 110v household power supply, there is no problem at all.

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#147

The idea that the infrastructure will be developed as the number of users increases ? The idea that charging efficiency will increase and technology will be developed to shorten charging time ? In fact, CCS now can run up to 350kW, an order of magnitude more advanced than 5 years ago, but people who don't drive EVs don't understand that.

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#148

The battery consumption of a cell phone on the slopes is due to the consumption of looking for signals, which is not the same thing as the event. The natural discharge of batteries is lower in low temperatures. The effect of environmental road conditions is within the margin of error.

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#149
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/22 (Sat) 18:23
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I'm wondering what measures you have in mind
when you get to the gas station at COSTCO, because there is a long line.

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#150

I'm not sure I understand the validity of the thought that Costco is what it is, though. Simply, the more transmission capacity, the less time is spent in captivity. The same is true if the number of stations increases. Right now it's 3-4 miles per kwh, but as efficiency increases, the cycles that need to be recharged will lengthen and congestion will be spread out. Well, for those who can't think in multiple directions, it will always remain a question ? The world needs people like that, no need to grow taller.

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#151
  • pooske
  • 2022/01/22 (Sat) 22:18
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I don't have a Tesla, but in 10 years there will only be electric and hydrogen cars, so why not enjoy gasoline cars now ? I thought so, and bought an S2000. If you don't enjoy gasoline cars now, they will be gone soon.
This is just my opinion.

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#152
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/23 (Sun) 07:25
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# 150

Which is the best way to increase transmission capacity?

Thermal, hydro, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal.

If we rely more on thermal power to provide the power needed by EVs to switch to EVs
it seems somewhat contradictory.

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#153
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#144
As answered by #146 ! It runs about 100% → 40% on weekends and then gradually returns to 100% over 5 days on Mon ~ Fri since there is more charge than use on weekdays. Charging at home is a customer acquisition obstacle for all EV cars, so I think progress will continue to be made ! In fact, Tesla didn't even come out with 110V charging until some time after it was launched.

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#154
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/24 (Mon) 06:46
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EV car charging at home is possible for homeowners
but what about people living in apartments?
If I modify or install my own parking space without the owner's permission,
I might have some problems if the owner says something.

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#155
  • 寝てる間に全焼
  • 2022/01/24 (Mon) 09:53
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Of course you can't do it without permission.
If the electrical contractor and the owner discuss it and agree that it is safe for fire, they will allow the installation.

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#156
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/24 (Mon) 10:27
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Who will pay for its installation?

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#158

It's too late now, but to answer the question in the first place, the electricity bill will probably go up ( all at once, although it's also trivially unclear ) whether it's all at once. However, if I let go of my Jeep, which gets around 30 mpg, the increase in the electric bill is less than the "gas I would have spent", so if I lump it in with the gas + bill, the total cost will go down. ( If you only consider "electricity cost", I understand your concern, but ・ ・ ・ )

How much it will increase depends on the daily driving distance and charging environment, and it is difficult to answer. A simple calculation shows that even with 480v Fast Charge outside, $ 0.50 per kW. ( This also depends on the contract $ 0.30s, and varies depending on the charging network ) This makes 3 ~ 4 miles per kW a reasonable line, so the electricity cost per mile is $ around 0.10 per gallon =. $ 4.50 per gallon of gas, which would be, well, close to 40 miles. Better than the Jeep, which is probably 30mpg currently, but not as good as the Prius. This is the worst case for external charging. If I could charge this at home on a line like 240v40A ( ) at night when electricity costs the least, it would probably be cheaper than the Prius. If the company has a charger or can get 110v, that would be great. Some places have free chargers in employee parking lots these days. Where are they? I'm not sure if I'm not well-spoken and raised and don't usually have a say or if the world doesn't listen, but I can't restrain myself from wanting to say something ( ) There are those at the microbial level who have already found bait and are running to capture it, but, well, there are some.

Power transmission would simply increase pressure or flow, but there are curious life forms who wonder naively what would happen if they stuck a hardware fork in a receptacle, so we need a duplicate poka-yoke. In contrast, though, as cars become more efficient, there will be less demand. Renewable energy will probably settle on nuclear power, which is a natural phenomenon that requires significant savings to provide for the masses' needs. Battery technology seems to be improving year by year, so it will gradually spread like solar power, but the electrification of many things is so fast that the Renewable infrastructure cannot keep up. Therefore, small nuclear reactors ( which are said to be even safer than the current ones ) are being developed.

Homes with electric dryers already have 240v ( ) and can extend the current from there. However, the current is low. Installation of a dedicated 240v
circuit is generally paid for by the user. In case of renters, they may be asked to remove it when they move out, as in the case of other modifications, but it depends on the contract and persuasion. ( Since there is absolutely a demand for ) recharging capacity, it may be possible to negotiate to split the cost by saying that the next person will be easier to find or that the rental period will be longer.

In case it depends on the electric company, you can rebate by installing a 240v line, buying or leasing a new EV, or buying a used car and rebating. And if it's a new car, there's also Tax Credit.

Fuel cells are an area where some manufacturers have ended development itself and the outlook is not good. However, Mirai offers fuel credit ( for 5 years ? ) as I recall, so I think it might be a good value. I believe the VW ID4 also has a credit for electricity. There are also incentives by car and by manufacturer, so you might find some bargains if you look around. Hybrids ( especially the Prime type from Toyota ) should still be good for 10-15 years, even if new gasoline cars are banned for 35 years ? or so ( I think they passed a bill ? I think it was one of the governor's bs ?. ) and it doesn't mean they won't be able to maintain them. And if that's the case, used car sales will continue. In effect, they are selling "used" cars instead of "new" cars ? as long as they have owner registration, they are in fact used cars. If even used cars were prohibited, the economy would collapse, and there would be no subsidies to buy EVs for everyone, but I can only speculate.

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#159
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/24 (Mon) 17:38
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# 157

I wonder if we can find out who will pay for it.
It would be up to the owner of the apartment.

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#162
  • 寝てる間に全焼
  • 2022/01/24 (Mon) 23:24
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Installation costs are usually out-of-pocket.
I've never heard of an owner paying for it around. That's a little over $2000 and a bit of a burden.

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#165
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/25 (Tue) 07:34
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Installation costs are usually out-of-pocket. Then it's not a problem while you live there, but

if you happen to move in the future, you can leave the installation behind or remove it and take it with you.

It is not an easy decision to make without consulting with the owner of the apartment where you live and coming to a conclusion.

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#168
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/25 (Tue) 10:10
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# 166

If you live in a home you don't have to worry about it, but

what if you live in an apartment, write.

# 167

There are all kinds of people in the world.
It wouldn't be complicated if the managing company was in control.

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#169
  • 寝てる間に全焼
  • 2022/01/25 (Tue) 10:33
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Installation is at your own expense.
When you leave, you leave it as is. It would be useless to remove the wiring as it would extend from the breaker to the parking lot and garage. The owner will be happy because the real estate value will go up.

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#171
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/25 (Tue) 12:05
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# 170

That's not a good time to buy.
I guess we have time until 2035.
I can't wait to see what EVs the manufacturers come up with by then.

You're in a tough situation, you can't afford it, so you're dragging others into it.

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#172
  • らん
  • 2022/01/25 (Tue) 12:08
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Many Tesla drivers have bad manners.

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#177
  • 寝てる間に全焼
  • 2022/01/26 (Wed) 09:57
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Incidentally, construction costs are higher the longer the distance from the building breaker to the parking lot.

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#179
  • デメリット
  • 2022/01/26 (Wed) 10:55
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Tesla has poor after-sales service in case of breakdowns, etc.

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#181
  • EV
  • 2022/01/26 (Wed) 19:11
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The media is making a big deal about EVs, EVs, but only Tesla is selling well. In the US, the next biggest sellers, Nissan Leaf and Kia Niro, sell only 1/10th of Model 3, and Chevrolet ・ Bolt has completely stalled. And the Model Y sells more. To be precise, we are at the upper limit of factory capacity, the more we make, the more we sell. The shortage of semiconductors is not a problem at all. Maybe Toyota should learn from Tesla here. In China and the EU, non-Tesla cars are selling well, but it seems impossible because of the strong national policies.
People don't buy EVs, they buy Tesla ( Eron ・ Musk ). They don't care if it has a few glitches. People who are worried about charging will not and cannot buy a Tesla in the first place. It is not a car that they would buy if they had to. However, the next Model 2 is in the price range that the average person can afford, so if it is not built well, there may be a storm of complaints.

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#182
  • 走る棺桶
  • 2022/01/26 (Wed) 21:44
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Half of the cars sold are leecalls
No automaker makes a car that opens its trunk while driving
Such a horrible car!

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#183
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/27 (Thu) 06:52
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If Tesla is currently the only EV car maker, it's no wonder it sells.

Other makers are mainly engine cars, and they are starting to launch EV cars little by little.

If each maker switches from engine cars to EV cars, it will be interesting to see how the market share of

car makers will change in 10 years. I am interested to see how the market share of car makers will change in 10 years.

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#184
  • どうしよう
  • 2022/01/28 (Fri) 00:36
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I ordered a Tesla at the end of the year and am waiting for delivery, but
I'm wondering if I should cancel the purchase because the stocks and funds I own have lost over $50,000 in total valuation this year.
I will forfeit the $250 I already put in.

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#185
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/28 (Fri) 07:02
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If you think you can lose $250, wait for delivery.
Cancel if you think you are willing to throw away $250.

How many EV cars will be sold by various manufacturers at that time in 10 years
Even if you drive an engine car for 10 years from 2022
you might want to consider buying an EV car after 2032.

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#187
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/01/30 (Sun) 18:36
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It is likely that more and more industries will enter the market with EV vehicles from different industries.

Sony is a new entrant with the announcement of EV cars.

Apple Car is only rumored and not easily seen.

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#190
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/02/01 (Tue) 08:55
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As EV car makers from different industries enter the market, the number of competitors will increase.
Daihatsu ・ Subaru, Mazda ・ Suzuki joined the Toyota group
Renault ・ Nissan ・ Mitsubishi also joined the group
Honda seems to be aiming for independent profitability without joining or creating a group.

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#191
  • ばい菌
  • 2022/02/01 (Tue) 13:09
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China, Soviet Union, Australia, Middle East, Southeast Asia 、、、、、
There are still a lot of countries that are not considering full EVs
and if we ignore the US and EU , UK, I think we're in business enough.

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#203
  • LAWP
  • 2022/02/02 (Wed) 15:51
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In the winter when I turn on the electric heater, my electric bill always more than doubles.

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#204
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/02/03 (Thu) 08:03
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I wonder if they will come out with models with different sizes of batteries that can be used in
EV vehicles, such as 200 miles, 500 miles, and 1000 miles on a full charge.

There will be a wider range of EV cars to choose from with battery sizes that are not engine size but can run.

Even if a Japanese light car is equipped with a battery that can run 1000 miles on a full charge,
the price of the car will be too high to afford.

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#205
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/02/08 (Tue) 11:24
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I think it will be difficult for industries entering the market with EV cars from different industries
because they do not have the
know-how to manufacture new cars unless they are made in the plants of existing car makers.

If car makers are not part of a group and are surviving on independent profitability,
they should be allowed to use car makers' plants
rather than having to consider closing their plants due to poor profitability in the future, so that companies entering the EV car market will be able to enter smoothly.

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#206
  • 制裁措置
  • 2022/02/22 (Tue) 10:47
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Bancame predicts that gasoline prices will rise by 20% if Russia invades in earnest.

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#207
  • 😳
  • 2022/02/22 (Tue) 12:08
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In addition, 20%?

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#208
  • 制裁措置
  • 2022/02/23 (Wed) 09:10
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Europe buys a lot of gas and oil from Russia, so if this is stopped due to sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine, they will have to buy from the Middle East and the US, so they will go up. Crying.

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#209
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/02/24 (Thu) 16:29
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I wonder if this will speed up the decarbonization plan a bit so that we don't have to buy oil from Russia.

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#210
  • プリウスプライム
  • 2022/03/02 (Wed) 09:58
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Gas prices are going up fast -
I should buy a plugin ?.

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#211
  • 昭和のおとっつぁん
  • 2022/03/02 (Wed) 11:43
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Rather than rushing to choose one of the few models available now, I'd rather buy a used hybrid

and wait

for more models from each manufacturer, which will give me a wider range of choices for replacement.

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